First Season Finale—Morgan Ingram

The Death of Morgan Ingram

Hello everyone. How are you? Just recently, the Even Salt Looks Like Sugar podcast debuted it’s final episode for the first season. Episode 10: The Death of Morgan Ingram. 

Imagine waking up to news that your daughter is dead. Toni Ingram received this news almost a decade ago when she discovered her daughter lifeless in their Carbondale, Colorado home. And although the case is closed, with so many questions left unanswered and a plethora of speculation—what happened to her? 

Join Even Salt Looks Like Sugar as your host Billy Housh speaks personally with Toni Ingram in an exclusive interview about Morgan, the events that lead up to her death, and what she believes happened. I also share some insight regarding this case. As many of you are already aware, this case is near and dear to my heart as I truly believe Morgan Ingram was a victim of foul play and deserves justice. It was truly an honor to co-produce this episode, as well as, the episodes before this one and the episodes yet to come. 
 
You can listen to the podcast on the official website now. You can also listen on Apple podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Google Podcasts, YouTube, Stitcher, Spreaker, and wherever you find your favorite podcasts. 

Stay tuned for season two. Not only will we share new episodes, we will continue to explore all things true crime, paranormal activity, and unsolved mysteries. And even dip into those cases others are afraid to. Also stay tuned for other projects I am going to be working on. I will be sharing those with you very soon. 

Good, great, and amazing things are happening. Thank you for listening. I hope you are having a wonderful day. Remember, not everything in life is what it seems because Even Salt Looks Like Sugar. Listen if you dare.

Comments

Nicole said…
Best podcast ever regarding the stalking and death of Morgan Ingram. This is the best podcast I’ve ever heard. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast. I didn’t know what to think at first; however, after listening I am strongly convinced it’s foul play.
Anonymous said…
Outstanding!
Anonymous said…
I think Keenan stalked Morgan. I don’t believe she ever did drugs. No one picks up an old prescription and takes only a few pills with the intent to end their life. I think he totally did it.
Anonymous said…
I don’t think she took her own life. Amazing podcast episode. There is a lot of propaganda on the web regarding this case. It’s good more are shedding light on the case. Your podcast really broke down the facts.
Anonymous said…
I didn’t know whether to think this was suicide, an overdose, or murder. After hearing this podcast I’m convinced it was a murder. The system failed Morgan Ingram and her family.
Anonymous said…
The production is the best I’ve heard yet. Even better than S&S. I’m now binge listening to every episode. I think you should have recorded more episodes and longer length. I understand you are busy. Really great content you create. I just subscribed.
Kayla said…
Epic podcast regarding the stalking and murder of Morgan Ingram. You better watch out though Tricia Griffith of Websleuths will create more hate sites about you under the Marcie Wogan alias. What a fat, uneducated, old nutjob that one is. You and Toni keep shining bright.
Anonymous said…
I really liked the question about the polygraph test Mrs. Ingram took for that show and I’m happy she addressed them. It makes so much more sense now. I always wondered what happened.
Anonymous said…
Best. Podcast. Ever. This podcast is so good.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast! I just downloaded this episode and subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Stick to the stuff you really know like makeup. You're making a fool of yourself and Billy Housh. I've lost all respect.
Brenda said…
Definitely murder. No one knows their child more than their mom. I cried when Toni started blaming herself for Morgan’s murder. This podcast really does great with getting the facts out there.
Anonymous said…
I use to think Toni Ingram had Munchausen by Proxy but after listening to this podcast I now understand this is propaganda started by an unhinged person obsessed with the case. This was a great interview regarding Morgan Ingram.
Anonymous said…
Why hasn’t Keenan Vanginkel been arrested? It’s very clear he’s guilty. I would like to know why he did it. I think he’s guilty and I want to know who else he’s murdered and how many girls’ lives he’s ruined. Mrs. Ingram deserves to know what happened to her daughter and the public wants to also know.
Anonymous said…
Terrific podcast! I love how you broke down the Amitriptyline levels. You destroyed the propaganda in less than five minutes. This is the greatest podcast I’ve heard regarding the death of Morgan Ingram.
Victoria said…
Anonymous @ 12:23 I agree and there is no doubt he has done it again. There are several girls from Colorado in the same area who mysteriously committed suicide when it’s clear they didn’t. Vanginkel’s lies have been extremely inconsistent. Like when he denied ever being near the Ingram’s house when it’s clearly him on camera. His remark in the interrogation video of “in my opinion I didn’t do anything” is what was the deciding factor for me. Mrs. Ingram deserves to know what happened to Morgan. When and if the truth ever comes out about what really happened I hope those who are spreading propaganda also do jail time for protecting him.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram is clearly telling the truth. This podcast really is an eye opener and ear opener. Very well produced and I loved the fact that you got to speak too. I support you both in your quest for justice. I strongly feel Morgan Ingram was murdered by the man stalking her.
Anonymous said…
You can clearly tell this is a homicide. The justice system failed Morgan Ingram.
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks for Toni Ingram. I knew Morgan and I don’t believe she ever took her life. Wonderful podcast. I just subbed.
Anonymous said…
Without question it is murder. Excellent episode on the topic.
Anonymous said…
Her stalker is totally guilty!
Anonymous said…
When someone has a huge ratio of Amitriptyline in their blood and the ratio of Amitriptyline to Noratriptyline is so close does that mean a one time dose? That explains why the woman at the ranch said she was missing equine Amitriptyline if Morgan’s stalker took it.
Ryan said…
I think he assaulted her and killed her. I read everything and this is just my opinion. Definitely not a suicide or overdose. Her hands were in fists. Rigor mortis doesn’t cause this and anyone who says otherwise is a liar obsessed with Toni Ingram and spreading lies. I’m guessing it’s Tricia or Mayra. They aren’t investigators that’s for sure and trusting their opinion is like trusting garbage to take itself out to the trash.
Anonymous said…
I just downloaded this episode and subscribed.
Dirty Daniels said…
Toni Ingram is the victim. Shame on these people for spreading lies about her because she wants to know what happened to her precious daughter. From what I read, Morgan was a wonderful person and never took any drugs. I believe she was stalked and murdered. Her stalker has a huge criminal record and is more guilty than Ted Bundy. I hope the case gets reopened.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram and support her 100%.
James said…
Kayla @11:22 - They have misogynistic Mike Boudet of Sword and Scale in on the scam also. He’s nuts too.
Anonymous said…
Morgan was definitely stalked and murdered. This is the greatest podcast ever covering the case. Everything from the production to the facts is as pristine as a podcast gets. I just subscribed and downloaded the episode.
Kayla said…
James they are sad desperate Debbies. No one cares what they think. They continue to spew venom about Toni, Sarah, and Morgan because they hate their lives and find attacking others entertaining. They are stupid pigs.
Anonymous said…
This is foul play. I don’t know who is to blame more—the stalker who took Morgan’s life or the lazy sheriff and law enforcement who didn’t take the stalking serious.
Anonymous said…
Very heartbreaking. I think foul play.
Anonymous said…
Keenan’s grandmother Linda was a friend of my mothers for many years. My mother is from Ishpeming, Michigan. Keenan’s grandmother was hit by a truck and died in the summer of 2012. She always said she loved her grandson but he was very troubled. She said her son Wade always defended him but she didn’t know what happened. I think she knew but didn’t want to say anything. Something dark happened in that family from what I hear and I don’t think he is innocent at all.
Anonymous said…
Morgan had 7,909 ng in her blood. 500-1,000 ng is lethal. She had 2,833 ng of Noratriptyline. Which is also lethal. The difference of ratio is 5,076. The ratio percent is 36%. In her stomach, Morgan had 2,287,440 ng. She had 9,431 ng of Noratriptyline. That’s a difference of 2,278,009. The ratio percent is 0.4%. The significant number in the blood means Morgan was given a huge one time dose. That would explain the injection marks Toni and Steve saw on her body. The stomach amount definitely signifies a huge dose overtime which could metabolized and made the victim regurgitate because of too much. The amount in her blood is what killed her.
Anonymous said…
Why didn’t Morgan’s stalker Keenan Vanginkel ever give up his DNA or give a DNA sample? Why didn’t he ever take a polygraph test when he offered to give one?
Anonymous said…
It's absolutely gratifying to see on every other site that addresses this "mystery" the vast majority of the commentors think Toni is a ding dong liar. Probably always has been.
Anonymous said…
I believe the victim. I believe Toni Ingram.
Anonymous said…
I think she was stalked and murdered. I also think he did much worse. Just my opinion. I hope Toni gets justice. She deserves it.
Anonymous said…
Keenan Vanginkel’s mother is a nutcase and a junkie. I went to high school with her. Everything Jamie Mangeris said is 100% true. I think Keenan is guilty and I’m 100% certain his mother knows.
Anonymous said…
Yeah, I think he’s guilty. Fantastic podcast! I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Much better than Sword and Scale! I love this podcast. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram comes across as genuine and a mother who simply wants answers. She spoke eloquently and deserves to know what happened. It’s clear her daughter did not kill herself and anyone who thinks this is an arm chair sleuth with health problems.
Anonymous said…
I think Morgan Ingram was stalked and murdered. Possibly assaulted. This is the best podcast I’ve heard covering this case. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni. I can’t believe people call this woman a liar and the stalker still hasn’t given up his DNA to be tested.
Harry said…
How can anyone attack this woman when it’s clear by this podcast the investigation was botched and there was a stalker. I hope the sheriff and deputies who handled this case are defunded.
Anonymous said…
Without question a stalking most definitely occurred. Remarkably informative podcast episode covering the Morgan Ingram case. The best one I’ve heard yet.
Anonymous said…
Why does Toni say that Morgan was supposed to return so that they could run errands together but never explains why she didn't come back, as prearranged, or call her Mom to say she wouldn't be back causing Toni to freak out?
Anonymous said…
Outstanding podcast covering this case. I believe this foul play.
Anonymous said…
Keenan did it! Great podcast and episode on this case. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I really wish that you could have known Morgan and interviewed her yourself. I think the story you'd have gotten from her might have been quite different from her mother's.
Anonymous said…
@9:39 pm I never heard that in the podcast. You must be related to the suspect. Personally I think he did it. Why would someone say “in my opinion, I didn't do anything” when interrogated before denying they were at the Ingram’s house when it’s clear it was him on the cameras? The suspect should give up his DNA! He looks real guilty to most people. I personally think he did it and anyone who says otherwise is a family or friend of the suspect or an armchair sleuth obsessed with the case. Most don’t believe him or the fake stories online regarding Morgan. This guy has been in trouble for stalking before.
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks for Toni Ingram. I think this was foul play.
Connie said…
Never in a billion lifetimes would I ever believe the propaganda that Morgan was escaping life and her stalker is a boy scout. I always knew it was a lie and I would never trust anything Tricia from Websleuths says. She’s unstable. I think Morgan had a stalker and I believe he took her life. I think he’s a Ted Bundy type persona and has more than likely hurt many others girls too with many of them not alive to tell their stories. I feel so bad for Toni ingram and also you—Sarah Afshar. You seem to be an innocent writer who’s name was dragged through the mud by Keenan’s family, friends, and supporters for allowing Mrs. Ingram to tell her story. Your interviews with Mrs. Ingram have been the most in depth and my favorite on this case. I enjoyed this episode very much. I subscribed to podcast. I think most true crime podcasts lack a certain it factor but this one really engages you and takes you in. By far the Rolls Royce of true crime podcasting and definitely has most beat in the production department. You can tell Billy shines in the production department and has a gifted notion of projecting.
Anonymous said…
There are more holes in this story than the finest Swiss in Lucerne. Definitely foul play. Incredible podcast episode. Well done.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram!
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram! Fantastic podcast episode!
Anonymous said…
Mrs. Ingram is a mother looking for answers. She knew her daughter. It’s clear a stalking happened and it’s clear that Kevin guy is behind it. Vanwinkle or whoever.
Anonymous said…
I really loved this interview. Billy asked great questions and was so cordial. I loved the fact he didn’t interrupt his guest. Fantastic podcast. Definitely my favorite about this case.
Anonymous said…
Anon @ 10/21-11:16 pm His name is Keenan Vanginkel.
Anonymous said…
I watched Morgan’s stalker on television and could instantly tell he was deceptive. Just by what he said, how he said, and his body language and movement. Definitely not an innocent man. I have never been wrong or inaccurate yet. I hope the truth is revealed but the way this case was handled the truth may never come out.
Rajesh Chaudry said…
i think she was murdered. the amitriptyline levels in the blood and the way her body looks in the autopsy photos is the big giveaway. may god punish those who defend morgan ingram’s stalker. Jai mata ki
Anonymous said…
Dear Sarah, I started studying the case of Morgan Ingram with the idea of proving that a severe injustice had been done to her. I read anything and everything I could including her mother's blog all the way through at least four times and independent posts more than that. I wanted to solve Morgan's case more than anything. Through Toni Ingram's writings, Morgan became real and alive and beautiful and pure, a rare talent with good humor and great spirit. I loved reading about the real Morgan who sang and laughed and was always there for her family and friends. It was after coming to know this beautiful ballerina that I also began to realize that she was a tortured soul. Whatever happened to Morgan that awful night only she knows. I do not believe that such a vibrant being would give up her life to another without a full fledged, loud and continuous fight. Whatever happened to Morgan happened by her own hand whether intentional or not. I will always grieve her loss. I wish she was still here. After all my private intense investigation I cannot support murder even as sketchy and disgusting as Keenan and his ex girlfriend might have been. RIP beautiful girl.
Victoria said…
I believe a stalking happened. Morgan contacted the authorities and told them. Either a) they are lazy and chose to believe this was a suicide after the cause and manner was changed multiple times or b) didn’t believe her and were too lazy to actually do their job and investigate. The guy who Toni Ingram has accused was on camera denying he was anywhere near the house when it is crystal clear it’s him on those surveillance cameras. Her stalker has a modus operandi of criminal behavior and a history of drugs and mental illness. Morgan doesn’t have that. If I were Toni and her husband, I would take this to court. My only guess is they don’t have the money to hire an attorney or else they would have had one already. If they approach someone pro bono regarding this case no one is going to take it no matter how much evidence the Ingrams have because the case is closed and you need more proof to even get a warrant. The items Toni Ingram has can’t be tested because there is no DNA to test it against unless Keenan voluntarily gives up his DNA which I doubt will happen. Especially if he’s guilty, he and his mother and whoever is backing him won’t let that happen. It’s a dead end at this point and anyone speculating can pretty much say what they want because it’s a dead end unless Toni and Steve Ingram do something. The statute of limitations never expire with murder but you have to first prove it happened and who actually did it. With a closed case and a lazy sheriff it’s doubtful justice will ever happen. Personally I don’t think the Ingrams are doing enough. They can do more. Instead of doing talk shows they need to hire legal representation because by the looks of things they aren’t doing enough.

Sarah I love you and I love your blog. I know you mean well but as much as I want to feel bad (and I do) for Toni Ingram she needs to do more if she wants justice because based on what she’s sharing there is still more she needs to do. Hiring an attorney is important and if she doesn’t have money to do so (which I suspect) she needs to raise the money on a livestream for the morgansstalking facebook. With an attorney she can get a writ and warrant. I really want her to get justice but the more she puts it off I am worried about the future of justice for Morgan. It’s 2020. Morgan has been dead since 2011. Almost 10 years. There shouldn’t be anymore excuses. Toni and Steve need to get an attorney and go after Keenan Vanginkel.
Anonymous said…
I think she was murdered. I think the reason the mother (Toni) hasn’t sued because she can’t afford it. Just my opinion. I hope an attorney would take her case but it’s doubtful anyone will represent her for free. I was a judge for years and cases like these happen more often than you think. Especially in small towns.
Anonymous said…
This case is so sad. The police failed Morgan Ingram and her family. Great podcast. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I think she was stalked and murdered.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram is fierce and fabulous. I support her 100% in her quest for justice.
Anonymous said…
i think she was stalked and murdered.
Anonymous said…
I believe Morgan was stalked for months by the man she identified. It’s possible he assaulted her and he freaked out in a sudden rage and killed her in the house. I think he was already in the house before Morgan came home. I think he took her phone, threw it, and when she went to grab the panic button he ripped it off. I wonder if Toni found any blood in Morgan’s room the morning she was found.
Morgan Ingram was stalked and murdered. It was her stalker who took her life. Thank you Sarah for being the voice for Morgan. We can only hope and pray justice happens soon. Thank you for being a strong advocate for Morgan and justice. We love and appreciate you. #JusticeforMorgan
Anonymous said…
I believe she (Morgan) was stalked and murdered. I read on a forum the stalker even confessed while drunk and bragged about the killing. So many people say a stalking never happened online but it reminds me of propaganda the stalker’s mother would make up. If there are other girls (which I am sure there are) parents become as vocal as Toni, then justice can happen for what happened. The stalker may have stopped because Mrs. Ingram has been so vocal about her daughter’s murder. Great podcast! I’m going to binge listen tonight.
Elizabeth said…
I use to think this was a suicide. Now I think this was a murder. Thank you for opening my eyes and ears. This was an incredible podcast.
Anonymous said…
I support Toni Ingram. Disgusting the lies and hate this woman gets for questioning her daughter’s death. She has the right. I believe Morgan was stalked and murdered by the man stalking her.
Anonymous said…
i feel bad for morgan’s mom. she deserves to know what happened to her daughter.
Anonymous said…
I support Toni.
Anonymous said…
This podcast is phenomenal. Love it!
Anonymous said…
I always thought this was a murder. Love your blog and I love this podcast and episode about Morgan Ingram and her death. I hope the truth comes out about what happened someday. I don’t buy the suicidal or overdose theories at all.