First Season Finale—Morgan Ingram

The Death of Morgan Ingram
Hello everyone. How are you? Just recently, the Even Salt Looks Like Sugar podcast decided to debut its final episode for the first season. For the first season finale—Episode 10: The Death of Morgan Ingram. 

Imagine waking up to news that your daughter is dead. Toni Ingram received this news almost a decade ago when she discovered her daughter lifeless in their Carbondale, Colorado home. And although the case is closed, with so many questions left unanswered and a plethora of speculation—what happened to her?  

Join Even Salt Looks Like Sugar as your host Billy Housh speaks personally with Toni Ingram in an exclusive interview about Morgan, the events that lead up to her death, and what she believes happened. I also share some insight regarding this case. As many of you are already aware, this case is near and dear to my heart as I truly believe Morgan Ingram was a victim of foul play and deserves justice. I don't believe she took her own life. With the high levels of Amitriptyline in Morgan's blood stream, there is no doubt this was anything, but accidental. She was stalked and she was ignored my the authorities who promised to protect her. It was truly an honor to co-produce this episode, as well as, the episodes before this one and the episodes yet to come. 
 
You can listen to the podcast on the official website now. You can also listen on Apple podcasts, AmazonSpotify, iHeartRadio, Google Podcasts, YouTube, Stitcher, Spreaker, and wherever you find your favorite podcasts. 

Stay tuned for season two. Not only will we share new episodes, we will continue to explore all things true crime, paranormal activity, and unsolved mysteries. And even dip into those cases others are afraid to. Also stay tuned for other projects I am going to be working on. I will be sharing those with you very soon. 

Good, great, and amazing things are happening. Thank you for listening. Remember to catch up with us next season for brand new episodes. I hope you are having a wonderful day. Remember, not everything in life is what it seems because Even Salt Looks Like Sugar. Listen if you dare.

Comments

Nicole said…
Best podcast ever regarding the stalking and death of Morgan Ingram. This is the best podcast I’ve ever heard. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast. I didn’t know what to think at first; however, after listening I am strongly convinced it’s foul play.
Anonymous said…
Outstanding!
Anonymous said…
I think Keenan stalked Morgan. I don’t believe she ever did drugs. No one picks up an old prescription and takes only a few pills with the intent to end their life. I think he totally did it.
Anonymous said…
I don’t think she took her own life. Amazing podcast episode. There is a lot of propaganda on the web regarding this case. It’s good more are shedding light on the case. Your podcast really broke down the facts.
Anonymous said…
I didn’t know whether to think this was suicide, an overdose, or murder. After hearing this podcast I’m convinced it was a murder. The system failed Morgan Ingram and her family.
Anonymous said…
The production is the best I’ve heard yet. Even better than S&S. I’m now binge listening to every episode. I think you should have recorded more episodes and longer length. I understand you are busy. Really great content you create. I just subscribed.
Kayla said…
Epic podcast regarding the stalking and murder of Morgan Ingram. You better watch out though Tricia Griffith of Websleuths will create more hate sites about you under the Marcie Wogan alias. What a fat, uneducated, old nutjob that one is. You and Toni keep shining bright.
Anonymous said…
I really liked the question about the polygraph test Mrs. Ingram took for that show and I’m happy she addressed them. It makes so much more sense now. I always wondered what happened.
Anonymous said…
Best. Podcast. Ever. This podcast is so good.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast! I just downloaded this episode and subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Stick to the stuff you really know like makeup. You're making a fool of yourself and Billy Housh. I've lost all respect.
Brenda said…
Definitely murder. No one knows their child more than their mom. I cried when Toni started blaming herself for Morgan’s murder. This podcast really does great with getting the facts out there.
Anonymous said…
I use to think Toni Ingram had Munchausen by Proxy but after listening to this podcast I now understand this is propaganda started by an unhinged person obsessed with the case. This was a great interview regarding Morgan Ingram.
Anonymous said…
Why hasn’t Keenan Vanginkel been arrested? It’s very clear he’s guilty. I would like to know why he did it. I think he’s guilty and I want to know who else he’s murdered and how many girls’ lives he’s ruined. Mrs. Ingram deserves to know what happened to her daughter and the public wants to also know.
Anonymous said…
Terrific podcast! I love how you broke down the Amitriptyline levels. You destroyed the propaganda in less than five minutes. This is the greatest podcast I’ve heard regarding the death of Morgan Ingram.
Victoria said…
Anonymous @ 12:23 I agree and there is no doubt he has done it again. There are several girls from Colorado in the same area who mysteriously committed suicide when it’s clear they didn’t. Vanginkel’s lies have been extremely inconsistent. Like when he denied ever being near the Ingram’s house when it’s clearly him on camera. His remark in the interrogation video of “in my opinion I didn’t do anything” is what was the deciding factor for me. Mrs. Ingram deserves to know what happened to Morgan. When and if the truth ever comes out about what really happened I hope those who are spreading propaganda also do jail time for protecting him.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram is clearly telling the truth. This podcast really is an eye opener and ear opener. Very well produced and I loved the fact that you got to speak too. I support you both in your quest for justice. I strongly feel Morgan Ingram was murdered by the man stalking her.
Anonymous said…
You can clearly tell this is a homicide. The justice system failed Morgan Ingram.
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks for Toni Ingram. I knew Morgan and I don’t believe she ever took her life. Wonderful podcast. I just subbed.
Anonymous said…
Without question it is murder. Excellent episode on the topic.
Anonymous said…
Her stalker is totally guilty!
Anonymous said…
When someone has a huge ratio of Amitriptyline in their blood and the ratio of Amitriptyline to Noratriptyline is so close does that mean a one time dose? That explains why the woman at the ranch said she was missing equine Amitriptyline if Morgan’s stalker took it.
Ryan said…
I think he assaulted her and killed her. I read everything and this is just my opinion. Definitely not a suicide or overdose. Her hands were in fists. Rigor mortis doesn’t cause this and anyone who says otherwise is a liar obsessed with Toni Ingram and spreading lies. I’m guessing it’s Tricia or Mayra. They aren’t investigators that’s for sure and trusting their opinion is like trusting garbage to take itself out to the trash.
Anonymous said…
I just downloaded this episode and subscribed.
Dirty Daniels said…
Toni Ingram is the victim. Shame on these people for spreading lies about her because she wants to know what happened to her precious daughter. From what I read, Morgan was a wonderful person and never took any drugs. I believe she was stalked and murdered. Her stalker has a huge criminal record and is more guilty than Ted Bundy. I hope the case gets reopened.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram and support her 100%.
James said…
Kayla @11:22 - They have misogynistic Mike Boudet of Sword and Scale in on the scam also. He’s nuts too.
Anonymous said…
Morgan was definitely stalked and murdered. This is the greatest podcast ever covering the case. Everything from the production to the facts is as pristine as a podcast gets. I just subscribed and downloaded the episode.
Kayla said…
James they are sad desperate Debbies. No one cares what they think. They continue to spew venom about Toni, Sarah, and Morgan because they hate their lives and find attacking others entertaining. They are stupid pigs.
Anonymous said…
This is foul play. I don’t know who is to blame more—the stalker who took Morgan’s life or the lazy sheriff and law enforcement who didn’t take the stalking serious.
Anonymous said…
Very heartbreaking. I think foul play.
Anonymous said…
Keenan’s grandmother Linda was a friend of my mothers for many years. My mother is from Ishpeming, Michigan. Keenan’s grandmother was hit by a truck and died in the summer of 2012. She always said she loved her grandson but he was very troubled. She said her son Wade always defended him but she didn’t know what happened. I think she knew but didn’t want to say anything. Something dark happened in that family from what I hear and I don’t think he is innocent at all.
Anonymous said…
Morgan had 7,909 ng in her blood. 500-1,000 ng is lethal. She had 2,833 ng of Noratriptyline. Which is also lethal. The difference of ratio is 5,076. The ratio percent is 36%. In her stomach, Morgan had 2,287,440 ng. She had 9,431 ng of Noratriptyline. That’s a difference of 2,278,009. The ratio percent is 0.4%. The significant number in the blood means Morgan was given a huge one time dose. That would explain the injection marks Toni and Steve saw on her body. The stomach amount definitely signifies a huge dose overtime which could metabolized and made the victim regurgitate because of too much. The amount in her blood is what killed her.
Anonymous said…
Why didn’t Morgan’s stalker Keenan Vanginkel ever give up his DNA or give a DNA sample? Why didn’t he ever take a polygraph test when he offered to give one?
Anonymous said…
It's absolutely gratifying to see on every other site that addresses this "mystery" the vast majority of the commentors think Toni is a ding dong liar. Probably always has been.
Anonymous said…
I believe the victim. I believe Toni Ingram.
Anonymous said…
I think she was stalked and murdered. I also think he did much worse. Just my opinion. I hope Toni gets justice. She deserves it.
Anonymous said…
Keenan Vanginkel’s mother is a nutcase and a junkie. I went to high school with her. Everything Jamie Mangeris said is 100% true. I think Keenan is guilty and I’m 100% certain his mother knows.
Anonymous said…
Yeah, I think he’s guilty. Fantastic podcast! I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Much better than Sword and Scale! I love this podcast. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram comes across as genuine and a mother who simply wants answers. She spoke eloquently and deserves to know what happened. It’s clear her daughter did not kill herself and anyone who thinks this is an arm chair sleuth with health problems.
Anonymous said…
I think Morgan Ingram was stalked and murdered. Possibly assaulted. This is the best podcast I’ve heard covering this case. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni. I can’t believe people call this woman a liar and the stalker still hasn’t given up his DNA to be tested.
Harry said…
How can anyone attack this woman when it’s clear by this podcast the investigation was botched and there was a stalker. I hope the sheriff and deputies who handled this case are defunded.
Anonymous said…
Without question a stalking most definitely occurred. Remarkably informative podcast episode covering the Morgan Ingram case. The best one I’ve heard yet.
Anonymous said…
Why does Toni say that Morgan was supposed to return so that they could run errands together but never explains why she didn't come back, as prearranged, or call her Mom to say she wouldn't be back causing Toni to freak out?
Anonymous said…
Outstanding podcast covering this case. I believe this foul play.
Anonymous said…
Keenan did it! Great podcast and episode on this case. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I really wish that you could have known Morgan and interviewed her yourself. I think the story you'd have gotten from her might have been quite different from her mother's.
Anonymous said…
@9:39 pm I never heard that in the podcast. You must be related to the suspect. Personally I think he did it. Why would someone say “in my opinion, I didn't do anything” when interrogated before denying they were at the Ingram’s house when it’s clear it was him on the cameras? The suspect should give up his DNA! He looks real guilty to most people. I personally think he did it and anyone who says otherwise is a family or friend of the suspect or an armchair sleuth obsessed with the case. Most don’t believe him or the fake stories online regarding Morgan. This guy has been in trouble for stalking before.
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks for Toni Ingram. I think this was foul play.
Connie said…
Never in a billion lifetimes would I ever believe the propaganda that Morgan was escaping life and her stalker is a boy scout. I always knew it was a lie and I would never trust anything Tricia from Websleuths says. She’s unstable. I think Morgan had a stalker and I believe he took her life. I think he’s a Ted Bundy type persona and has more than likely hurt many others girls too with many of them not alive to tell their stories. I feel so bad for Toni ingram and also you—Sarah Afshar. You seem to be an innocent writer who’s name was dragged through the mud by Keenan’s family, friends, and supporters for allowing Mrs. Ingram to tell her story. Your interviews with Mrs. Ingram have been the most in depth and my favorite on this case. I enjoyed this episode very much. I subscribed to podcast. I think most true crime podcasts lack a certain it factor but this one really engages you and takes you in. By far the Rolls Royce of true crime podcasting and definitely has most beat in the production department. You can tell Billy shines in the production department and has a gifted notion of projecting.
Anonymous said…
There are more holes in this story than the finest Swiss in Lucerne. Definitely foul play. Incredible podcast episode. Well done.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram!
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni Ingram! Fantastic podcast episode!
Anonymous said…
Mrs. Ingram is a mother looking for answers. She knew her daughter. It’s clear a stalking happened and it’s clear that Kevin guy is behind it. Vanwinkle or whoever.
Anonymous said…
I really loved this interview. Billy asked great questions and was so cordial. I loved the fact he didn’t interrupt his guest. Fantastic podcast. Definitely my favorite about this case.
Anonymous said…
Anon @ 10/21-11:16 pm His name is Keenan Vanginkel.
Anonymous said…
I watched Morgan’s stalker on television and could instantly tell he was deceptive. Just by what he said, how he said, and his body language and movement. Definitely not an innocent man. I have never been wrong or inaccurate yet. I hope the truth is revealed but the way this case was handled the truth may never come out.
Rajesh Chaudry said…
i think she was murdered. the amitriptyline levels in the blood and the way her body looks in the autopsy photos is the big giveaway. may god punish those who defend morgan ingram’s stalker. Jai mata ki
Anonymous said…
Dear Sarah, I started studying the case of Morgan Ingram with the idea of proving that a severe injustice had been done to her. I read anything and everything I could including her mother's blog all the way through at least four times and independent posts more than that. I wanted to solve Morgan's case more than anything. Through Toni Ingram's writings, Morgan became real and alive and beautiful and pure, a rare talent with good humor and great spirit. I loved reading about the real Morgan who sang and laughed and was always there for her family and friends. It was after coming to know this beautiful ballerina that I also began to realize that she was a tortured soul. Whatever happened to Morgan that awful night only she knows. I do not believe that such a vibrant being would give up her life to another without a full fledged, loud and continuous fight. Whatever happened to Morgan happened by her own hand whether intentional or not. I will always grieve her loss. I wish she was still here. After all my private intense investigation I cannot support murder even as sketchy and disgusting as Keenan and his ex girlfriend might have been. RIP beautiful girl.
Victoria said…
I believe a stalking happened. Morgan contacted the authorities and told them. Either a) they are lazy and chose to believe this was a suicide after the cause and manner was changed multiple times or b) didn’t believe her and were too lazy to actually do their job and investigate. The guy who Toni Ingram has accused was on camera denying he was anywhere near the house when it is crystal clear it’s him on those surveillance cameras. Her stalker has a modus operandi of criminal behavior and a history of drugs and mental illness. Morgan doesn’t have that. If I were Toni and her husband, I would take this to court. My only guess is they don’t have the money to hire an attorney or else they would have had one already. If they approach someone pro bono regarding this case no one is going to take it no matter how much evidence the Ingrams have because the case is closed and you need more proof to even get a warrant. The items Toni Ingram has can’t be tested because there is no DNA to test it against unless Keenan voluntarily gives up his DNA which I doubt will happen. Especially if he’s guilty, he and his mother and whoever is backing him won’t let that happen. It’s a dead end at this point and anyone speculating can pretty much say what they want because it’s a dead end unless Toni and Steve Ingram do something. The statute of limitations never expire with murder but you have to first prove it happened and who actually did it. With a closed case and a lazy sheriff it’s doubtful justice will ever happen. Personally I don’t think the Ingrams are doing enough. They can do more. Instead of doing talk shows they need to hire legal representation because by the looks of things they aren’t doing enough.

Sarah I love you and I love your blog. I know you mean well but as much as I want to feel bad (and I do) for Toni Ingram she needs to do more if she wants justice because based on what she’s sharing there is still more she needs to do. Hiring an attorney is important and if she doesn’t have money to do so (which I suspect) she needs to raise the money on a livestream for the morgansstalking facebook. With an attorney she can get a writ and warrant. I really want her to get justice but the more she puts it off I am worried about the future of justice for Morgan. It’s 2020. Morgan has been dead since 2011. Almost 10 years. There shouldn’t be anymore excuses. Toni and Steve need to get an attorney and go after Keenan Vanginkel.
Anonymous said…
I think she was murdered. I think the reason the mother (Toni) hasn’t sued because she can’t afford it. Just my opinion. I hope an attorney would take her case but it’s doubtful anyone will represent her for free. I was a judge for years and cases like these happen more often than you think. Especially in small towns.
Anonymous said…
This case is so sad. The police failed Morgan Ingram and her family. Great podcast. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I think she was stalked and murdered.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram is fierce and fabulous. I support her 100% in her quest for justice.
Anonymous said…
i think she was stalked and murdered.
Alice said…
October 27th @1:12 am = maniac MayraMM having another meltdown. You sad lady. Grow up and leave this family alone. Get some help.
Anonymous said…
I believe Morgan was stalked for months by the man she identified. It’s possible he assaulted her and he freaked out in a sudden rage and killed her in the house. I think he was already in the house before Morgan came home. I think he took her phone, threw it, and when she went to grab the panic button he ripped it off. I wonder if Toni found any blood in Morgan’s room the morning she was found.
Morgan Ingram was stalked and murdered. It was her stalker who took her life. Thank you Sarah for being the voice for Morgan. We can only hope and pray justice happens soon. Thank you for being a strong advocate for Morgan and justice. We love and appreciate you. #JusticeforMorgan
Anonymous said…
I believe she (Morgan) was stalked and murdered. I read on a forum the stalker even confessed while drunk and bragged about the killing. So many people say a stalking never happened online but it reminds me of propaganda the stalker’s mother would make up. If there are other girls (which I am sure there are) parents become as vocal as Toni, then justice can happen for what happened. The stalker may have stopped because Mrs. Ingram has been so vocal about her daughter’s murder. Great podcast! I’m going to binge listen tonight.
Elizabeth said…
I use to think this was a suicide. Now I think this was a murder. Thank you for opening my eyes and ears. This was an incredible podcast.
Anonymous said…
I support Toni Ingram. Disgusting the lies and hate this woman gets for questioning her daughter’s death. She has the right. I believe Morgan was stalked and murdered by the man stalking her.
Anonymous said…
i feel bad for morgan’s mom. she deserves to know what happened to her daughter.
Lakisha said…
Is it that nutcase Mayra who spread the fake story Morgan? The one who appeared on Darknet with the huge lunch lady arms and dirty house or is it that Websleuths broad who looks like Chris Farley in a wig mixed with Jessica Simpson who spread it? They jealous of a dead girl. They crazy!
Anonymous said…
I support Toni.
Anonymous said…
This podcast is phenomenal. Love it!
Anonymous said…
I always thought this was a murder. Love your blog and I love this podcast and episode about Morgan Ingram and her death. I hope the truth comes out about what happened someday. I don’t buy the suicidal or overdose theories at all.
Yolanda said…
Thank you for this. I have always thought this was foul play. I hope justice is served one day for what happened.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast! My heart goes out to Toni Ingram. I really hope justice happens for Morgan.
Anonymous said…
Were the items found in Morgan’s room ever tested?
Anonymous said…
Excellent podcast! Love this episode. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
Definitely foul play!
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks for Toni Ingram. I cannot even imagine what she is going through. I’m so sad she lost Morgan yet I’m happy she’s fighting for her daughter. I always felt like Morgan was stalked and murdered. Without question this was foul play.
Anonymous said…
I pray everyday that Morgan get the justice.
Anonymous said…
Definitely murder.
Anonymous said…
Murder! Great podcast!
Anonymous said…
Was the stalker, the Keenan guy already in house waiting? Did he hide in Morgan’s closet?
Anonymous said…
I think she was murdered and I definitely think her stalker is suspicious.
Anonymous said…
I saw someone on a true crime forum attack Morgan Ingram. When I asked why they were attacking her, my comment was deleted not even 5 minutes later and I was permanently banned from the forum. I believe Toni Ingram and I support her 100%.
Hamid said…
I love baba! It was nice hearing him say in the beginning of the podcast how he supported Toni. I feel so bad for Toni. I believe her though. 100%. Excellent podcast.
Nicole said…
Definitely murder! I can’t believe people are stupid enough to think otherwise. They have to be slow or have something wrong with their brain to think a murder never occurred.
Anonymous said…
This podcast is terrific and this is my favorite episode ever about Morgan Ingram.
Anonymous said…
I think she was murdered. This is by far the best podcast episode about the Morgan Ingram case. Much better than S & S or any others I’ve heard. The production is on a whole other level. You and Billy are killing it. So good!
Anonymous said…
Def murder!
Anonymous said…
It is very obvious a murder happened because the drug levels. The pathologist really messed up but so did the law enforcement. I usually back the men in blue but not in this case. This case is clearly foul play. No armchair sleuth will make me think otherwise. I hope someone comes forward because it’s doubtful anyone will re-open this.
Anonymous said…
Excellent podcast about the Morgan Ingram case.
Getty said…
Is Tricia Griffith from Websleuths a male or a female? I’m confused. Personally I think that person is crazed and shouldn’t be talking about true crime at all.
Anonymous said…
I get bad vibes just looking at Keenan (Morgan’s stalker) photos. I rarely ever get freaked out. Only few times I have and those others were serial killers. Keenan is very much like night stalker, Richard Ramirez.
Barb said…
I definitely do not believe Mayra “Maniac” Martinez. Too much paraphrasing and constantly playing the victim. Makes an unsolved crime case about her. The 60+ year old arm chair sleuth needs to move on.

I definitely do not believe Websleuths Wack Job Tricia. I saw her walk into Crimecon in 2018 wearing dirty clothes and carrying a trash bag into a 5-star resort. I said hi to her and she completely ignored me. She has a track record of creating problems online and was recently exposed for impersonating a former attorney who is now deceased.

I definitely do not believe Michael Odegard. Comes across as a very obvious paranoid schizophrenic who is angry at the world. Blames innocent people for his failures and because he’s a homeless bum with analysis paralysis.

I definitely do not believe terror Terry Stipp or Terry Cavitalo. I think one quick search will tell you why.

I definitely do not believe Mike “Misogynistic” Boudet. A grifter with an overproduced podcast who blames others for stuff he does. The international woman’s day meme was disgusting. His Adrian Jones episode is completely plagiarized word for word.

I definitely do not believe Keenan “Killer” Vanginkel or anyone who supports him including Jenn Johnson and Heather Brown. His “in my opinion, I didn’t do anything.” During the interrogation video was what truly nailed the coffin shut.

Yep.
Anonymous said…
Incredible podcast episode. Finally great to hear both you and Toni speak.
Anonymous said…
My heart breaks. I can’t believe the stalker hasn’t been arrested yet.
Anonymous said…
I think Keenan did it!
Anonymous said…
Definitely murder! Without question, she was definitely stalked. I don’t believe other narratives at all.
Anonymous said…
I love you and Toni Ingram. I’m a huge fan of your work and I believe Morgan was stalked. I also believe died under foul play circumstances. I hope the truth comes out one day.
Anonymous said…
Murder!
Anonymous said…
Wow, only a few pills missing from an expired prescription and they found the prescription and assumed that is what she took? With all of that in her blood and gastric? Horrible investigation. Lazy sheriff. Negligent and egotistical pathologist. I feel like this was foul play.
Anonymous said…
Definitely foul play. Fantastic podcast episode about this case. I’m happy to hear you and Toni speak.
Ethel said…
This was definitely a homicide. The levels in her blood prove it. I think the man who was stalking her did it. I just get bad vibes from him.
Anonymous said…
Keenan has history with crime, drugs, and mental illness.
Tana said…
I think she was murdered. I’ve studied this case extensively and nothing about it points to suicide. Seems like a rumor started by a rabid true crime fan obsessed with the case who has suicide in their family. I don’t believe this was at all a suicide or accidental death.
Anonymous said…
I believe Keenan did it. It’s more obvious than a lot of prolific serial killers. He’s confessed to people while intoxicated. Every time he bashes the police, he brags about how he got away with it. Many people are starting to come forward about it. I saw on the Facebook page about it. I definitely support Toni.
Anonymous said…
Have Toni and Steve Ingram contacted Lindsay and Anthony from Can’t Stop Won’t Stop?
Ruth said…
Morgan Ingram is a victim of stalking. I don’t believe she took her own life. What’s crazy about this case is the amount of degenerate people who defend her stalker. The guy is a felon with history of criminal trespassing, stalking, and even suspicious disappearances. I remember reading about a girl named Hailey who went missing from that area. I saw a post by Morgan’s stalker on the Hailey’s FB before her page was memorialized. I have a gut feeling Morgan wasn’t his only victim and the fact he’s getting away with a murder tells me that Morgan isn’t her last. Based on reading everything about this case, I definitely support the homicide theory and I think it’s this Keenan guy who is behind it. I think Brooke Harris hated Morgan and was possibly jealous but I don’t think she is behind any of it. I think Keenan acted alone. The degenerates who defend him are perverted libertines who suffer from brain deterioration.
Nate said…
The Map-friendly, self-loathing bald guy from Portland. The Odegard guy is a nutcase. He talks like he loves the smell of barbecued feces.
Anonymous said…
Morgan Ingram has no history of drug abuse, no history of depression and mental illness, and no criminal history.
Morgan Ingram identified the man stalking her as Keenan James Vanginkel.
Keenan James Vanginkel has a history of drug abuse, mental illness, and has a large criminal history.
Keenan James Vanginkel denied ever being at the Ingram’s house or in their driveway, when it’s clear it is him on the camera.
Keenan James Vanginkel said when interrogated by police and I quote “In my opinion, I didn’t do anything.” An innocent person doesn’t say this.
Anonymous said…
There is no way that a few pills missing from an expired Amitriptyline prescription created the amount in her stomach and blood. If the equine Amitriptyline, which was liquid was discovered in a ranch nearby and that was stolen by her stalker, Keenan Vanginkel that would explain the amount of this drug was found in both her stomach and blood. Especially in her blood in such high amounts.
Anonymous said…
@ 1:19, I heard him on Sword and Scale. He sounds like a rambling, incoherent, mentally unstable, storytelling stalker. His fight of ideas tell me he has a neurodevelopmental condition and a lot of angst built into his psyche. I noticed the same about Myra or Mayra Martinez (MayraMM) and Websleuths Tricia. Tricia’s alogia by far was the worst. Very linguistic attitude that’s exonormative and affect blunting. Like I didn’t believe any of their stories at all. I wasted over two hours of my life listening to these ambivalent armchair investigators bash Morgan, her mother Toni, and Sarah Afshar. Boudet himself is not well so it’s not shocking seeing him give a platform to anyone who entertains these three degenerates.
Anonymous said…
Definitely not a suicide. Morgan was clearly murdered.
Anonymous said…
I believe she was stalked and murdered. Amazing podcast episode. I just subscribed.
Anonymous said…
I believe Toni. I can’t believe people attack Morgan. It sounds like those who attack Morgan are the same sick people who attack Gabby Petito. I don’t believe the overdose or suicide narrative.
Courtney Meg Johnston Investigates said…
Definitely Murder. The suspect/stalker lied about his whereabouts (he said he was on his way to Texas or in Texas) the night of Morgan’s murder when it turned out he was in Colorado working. He is a liar and the stories are very inconsistent. This is ignoring his criminal history and other criminal trespassing offenses which are stalking. He’s stalked other girls. I think 80% of people see this as a murder and the 10% who defend him are his family members or the degenerate archetype that probably don’t shower and think they are sleuths when I’m reality they are armchair investigators who are physically ill, stink, and possibly pop pills and/or drink. That’s why they have spent a decade attacking Sarah Afshar for interviewing Toni Ingram, spreading untrue lies to support their mental rubbish and tinfoil conspiracies, and attack Morgan Ingram for what appears to be her own murder. Real gross. I suspect it is Jenn Dupont Johnson (stalker’s mother) and that disgusting degenerate who looks like she’s suffering from health problems. That admin from Websleuths. I can’t think of her name. The one who impersonated people and attacks people who have a different narrative on any case. I was banned from Websleuths for giving my opinion on another case. Those slobs are not investigators and are more dangerous to cases than helpful. I saw what they said about Morgan and read what they said about her mother Toni along with how they attack anyone who disagrees with them. I suspect these are the online trolls and ringleaders who started the scam. Morgan had no history of criminal behavior and never took drugs. The stalker has bragged while drunk and told Morgan’s brother’s stepson he did it. I read this on Morgan’s brothers FB. The sheriff who botched this case was/is good friends with the stalker’s stepdad Doug Johnson and this has been backed up by five people. I’ve been reading this blog since 2012. I believe this was a homicide.
Dorothy said…
I agree. I always felt like this was a murder. Even before I started reading this blog. Toni Ingram is a mother and Steve Ingram is a father who questioned everything. I think at first they both thought it was a possible suicide (I heard the clip) because Lou Vallario (corrupt sheriff) tried to convince them both it was but when they both finally woke up and started looking into their daughters death they realized it wasn’t. Sadly after this bad sheriff Vallario pushed the Ingram’s to have Morgan cremated and tried to convince them she took her own life. I did some digging and it turns out Vallario is friends with the stalkers family. This is 100% true so the Ingrams have no chance of ever getting this fat pig to reopen the case and the CBI won’t investigate due to Colorado law as they would need Vallario’s permission. The DA won’t open the case because her office is next to his (Vallarios) so he will just spread lies about the victim while praising a felon because he’s friends with the felons father. This is 100% fact. You may want to know that the pathologist, Robert Kurtzman lost his license to practice for botching a ton of cases after Morgan’s, including a bunch in Montana. He can no longer practice in Colorado. He’s real evil. I just read about him the other day. He’s the forensic pathologist version of Christopher Duntsch.
Anonymous said…
I always knew that Robert Kurtzman guy was up to no good. Amazing podcast. I love you and Billy episode about this case. Definitely the best one and it was nice to hear Toni Ingram speak out.
Anonymous said…
Lol @ Myra Martinez trying to refute a world renowned forensic pathologist who is licensed to practice in many states. Dr. Dobersen has since retired. He even said this was a homicide. This crazed armchair hag is just parroting what Robert Kurtzman says. Kurtzman has been in tons of trouble since he ruined Morgan’s case and has done this to many many others since then. From my understanding he’s not even in Colorado.
Anonymous said…
I’ve known Toni Ingram for over 40 years. She loved Morgan and she and Morgan both told me on the phone about the stalking when it was happening. I pray everyday for Justice. I loved Morgan like a daughter. Toni is one of my best friends. She’s always been very honest.
Anonymous said…
When I think of the people who defend this Keenan Vanginkel I immediately think of section 8 and social service abuse. I’m noticing a pattern between those who defend him. Most of these people are uneducated, mentally ill and angry, and hate their lives so much they think defending an obviously guilty man will turn them into a hero and they will feel less self loathe about their lives and hate themselves less. I’ve examined this case fully and all evidence points to a homicide. I look at facts from professionals and educated people. Not disgruntled relatives of the suspect and armchair investigators who are always wrong.
Anonymous said…
Definitely a homicide. This podcast episode regarding Morgan Ingram is the best one I’ve heard online. I just subscribed on Amazon and iHeartRadio.
Anonymous said…
I knew Morgan for ten years and Toni for the same length. They both told me about the stalking. Morgan told me Keenan Vanginkel followed her everywhere. She also said if anything happened to her, her mom would fight for her. The stalking was real and it happened. Those who say otherwise never knew Morgan or Toni.
Anonymous said…
I always felt like this was a homicide. Without question, this screams foul play. There is zero way Morgan took her own life. You cannot just die from a few missing pills from an expired Amitriptyline prescription and have such a huge amount in the blood. No one would think Morgan took her own life but those crazy bags from Websleuths who are begging to be relevant but are far too old, unhealthy, and uneducated to ever be or the stalker Keenan’s family. Keenan is a grown man and reminds me of a liar. You can tell by his inconsistent stories. He also has the modis operandi and record to back up his guilt. Morgan had no history of drugs, mental illness, or crime. Keenan Vanginkel does and his “in my opinion I didn’t do anything” proves thus so.
Anonymous said…
Keenan totally did this. My daughter dated him and he told me he was working a double shift at City Market the night Morgan was murdered. He never went to Texas. That’s a lie. I could tell he was being deceptive when he told me. I went to school with his mother Jenn Johnson and she’s always been unstable. She was very jealous of me and treated my daughter horribly because of how terrible of a person she is when my daughter was involved with Keenan. My daughter asked him about Morgan and he was like “she’s just a…” and then he said “she’s no one.” I don’t believe for one second he’s innocent. He doesn’t have me fooled at all. He slept with my son’s girlfriend also. Keenan is not a good person. My daughter is married now and far far away from Glenwood Springs.
WildLifeCamera said…
I am obsessed with Sarah Afshar and hate her. I represent the stay-at-home, self-loathing, directionless archetype who spends their life hanging out on true crime forums defending predators and attacking people; primarily strong, independent women (something I’m not) because my shortcomings define who I am and because it makes me hate myself and my life a lot less.

P.S. Morgan committed suicide. Toni Ingram is crazy. Sarah Afshar is crazy. Keenan Vanginkel is innocent. Ted Bundy is normal.
Anonymous said…
How do you explain that Keenan has never been accused or convicted of any other crime? You can't. You don't have the cojones to print this simple fact.
Anonymous said…
At first I thought it was a possibility Morgan took her own life. Maybe the pressure of being stalked was too much. I believed some of the armchair investigators online. At first. But then I started digging more and I honestly think it’s foul play. Too many things don’t add up.

-Morgan identified the man stalking her. Even documented the details. She even told other people.
-What happened to Morgan Ingram’s pajama pants?
-What happened to the red panic button?
-Why was foundation and pipes cracked?
-Why did Morgan use a “K” and a “N” (Keenan?) when doing sign language?
-Why was the equine Amitriptyline and ketamine discovered missing at the ranch nearby? The owner reported it stolen like a week before Morgan was found dead.
-Why were a few pills missing from an expired prescription for Amitriptyline? Yet the amount in Morgan’s system exceeds the amount she consumed?
-Why was Morgan’s phone found on the bathroom floor?
-Why did the pathologist Kurtzman change the cause and manner of death so many times?
-Why the stalker deny being near the Ingram’s house but it was clearly him in the footage published online?
-Why were parts of the Ingram house cracked?
-What shoes did the footprints belong to? The photos were posted online. Did they ever check?
-Why didn’t the stalker or suspected stalker take a polygraph test?

Other questions:

-The sheriff in that town and the one working on this case was recused for unethical behavior. Why wasn’t the CBI able to investigate?
-Why did the sheriff lie and saying a stalking never happened when there is proof Morgan identified him? Her signature was also signed and dated after the reports. Some of the reports give details.
-Why did the DA tell Toni before she was DA she believed her but once she was DA and her office was next to the sheriff’s sue had a change of opinion?
-Why does Morgan’s stalker or the suspected stalker have several criminal trespassing offenses on his record? What are they for and why does no one care?
-Why wasn’t the hat and flannel ever tested for DNA? If it were, would the suspected stalker ever give his up to prove those items didn’t belong to him?
-Morgan said she received a message, a text from 970-319-5562 saying something about how she looked in the morning. Morgan didn’t know the number. Who does it belong to? Did they ever find out?
-Why was the suspected stalker seen walking out of the store while on the clock?
-Why is the detective that was on this case now a coroner?
-Other than the suspect’s mother, why is it the same armchair investigators defending him? I don’t see too many people saying he’s innocent. Only a few and it’s the same few women. The one with the tattoos and that crime admin woman.
-Why did the pathologist on Morgan’s case move to Montana and why is he no longer able to work in Colorado?
-Why is the suspect trying to blame Brooke Harris and some guy named Wiley for Morgan’s death?
Anonymous said…
Isn’t that phone number Eric’s? The one who use to be friends with Keenan and said Keenan called him?
Anonymous said…
Epic podcast episode. I always thought Morgan Ingram was a victim of foul play. I can’t believe people believe he’s innocent. They remind me of the groupies from the 80’s that defended Ted Bundy. I always felt like Ryan Gosling should play Bundy. He looks like him. I can see Bella Thorne playing Morgan if the truth ever comes out. Seems like that sheriff is a big reason why Morgan never received a proper investigation. He’s been in trouble for misconduct. I don’t believe a single word he’s said about Morgan or Toni. Not only did this terrible person try to make Morgan’s dear parents believe their daughter took her own life (not true) they pushed them to cremate their child. I’ve donated money to the Ingrams and will continue to do so to hold her blood sample. This wasn’t a suicide nor an overdose. Don’t believe these armchair investigators who keep pushing lies about this young woman who was clearly stalked and murdered.
Anonymous said…
7:16 am @ Is it Eric with the big pickup truck? Or is it the Eric who does tattoos?
Pig said…
That sheriff should do jail time himself. I saw he was in trouble several times for misconduct. I believe Toni Ingram 100%!
Anonymous said…
I think Morgan was stalked and also murdered. Something isn’t right about her death. Too many red flags. It’s easy for people to assume it didn’t happen because they are being swayed by people who keep pushing a different narrative. Something doesn’t seem right about any of it.
Anonymous said…
@ 11:29 Yes! I always thought Bella Thorne looked like Morgan Ingram. They both look so similar. I can definitely see Bella playing Morgan in a movie. Morgan’s stalker Keenan kind of looks like Ezra Miller so I can totally see him playing him in a movie. More than likely they will cast unknowns for the role if a movie is ever made.
Anonymous said…
Lou Vallario has been investigated multiple times for misconduct. I don’t believe Morgan’s case has any chance of ever being reopened or reinvestigated as long as this boomer is an active sheriff. If Vallario retires or dies it’s likely Morgan will get the proper investigation but only if Morgan’s parents push to have this done. The CBI has offered voluntarily to investigate her death but Lou Vallario is doing everything to prevent this. Prayers that Vallario gets his karma soon so justice can happen for Morgan Ingram who was stalked and clearly murdered by her stalker.
Hubble said…
I know Morgan’s stalker Keenan and his family. They are all habitual and compulsive liars. Lots of social service abuse. Lots of deception. Yep. Don’t believe anyone who says Keenan is innocent or a Boy Scout. This isn’t the first time he’s stalked a girl and she ended up dead shortly after. There are lots of girls including my sister’s friend who actually disappeared the day after she hung out with him. I won’t say too much more. But karma collects and I hope the truth comes out one day.
Anonymous said…
This is an incredible podcast episode about the death of Morgan Ingram. I just subscribed. I recently got into listening to podcasts. I prefer young, fresh voices with knowledge. I’m not a fan of Joe Rogan. He sounds old to me and always sounds like he’s shouting. He had a presence and fan base in the UFC before podcasting. I think Mike Boudet podcast is extremely poorly researched and his episodes about Morgan Ingram were both very bad. I think I heard three podcasts about this case (including Sword and Scale) in addition to this one and the hosts were all terrible. Mike Boudet talks like he doesn’t brush his teeth and is dehydrated.

I’m happy you and Toni never went on his show. The disgruntled armchair sleuths Tricia and Mayra were horrible. The scorned internet stalker Michael Odegard was by far the worst. He was evidentially lying about you and using the platform for his 15-minute of fame. I noticed someone here mentioned social service abuse. Speaking of which, I followed his (Odegard’s) blog after the podcast and I saw him brag about getting thousands of dollars of free money from the government. This made me laugh and realize those episodes were scams. After listening to the podcast he did with Mike Boudet and it’s clear he has a thing for little kids. I tried listening to the Websleuths podcast and it was terrible. I don’t like Tricia’s voice, as she sounds washed up and old or how she delivers stories. She acts like an expert when she’s merely an armchair investigator with a true crime forum. I also notice her grifting and peddling when I decided to join her forum. Her constant begging for money made me unjoin shortly after. These people are garbage and it’s sad they stoop this low.

Honestly, I love this podcast, Even Salt Looks Like Sugar and this episode about Morgan because it’s filled with so many details and you don’t have to spend money to listen to it. I don’t like ads but when one is expected to pay to hear a majority of it, that’s when I personally draw the line. I love the fact you are a republican and Billy is more of a natural liberal and you both leave politics out of your podcast. I can’t wait to hear more. I wish you would put out more episodes. This is my favorite episode and I’m very happy Mrs. Ingram had the opportunity to share her side of the story.
Anonymous said…
Did sheriff Lou Vallario really get into trouble for misconduct? I can believe it. I live here in Glenwood Springs and heard stories about him. That’s probably why Morgan’s case never received a proper investigation. It makes sense.
Anonymous said…
Sheriff Lou Vallario has been in trouble many times for misconduct. Robert Kurtzman has been in trouble many times for misdiagnosing and lost his license several years after Morgan’s case because he messed up so many cases. Kurtzman is the Christopher Duntsch of pathology. Corrupt is an understatement when it comes to Kurtzman and Vallario. I believe Morgan was a victim of foul play. I don’t believe she overdosed and I don’t believe she took her own life. Obvious homicide.
Anonymous said…
I noticed someone mentioned Robert Kurtzman. He was the pathologist assigned to the Selena NotAfraid case. He’s a terrible person. He just may be evil. He’s botched so many cases.
Cruda said…
I normally respect the men in blue but not dirty Lou. He dirty.
Keenan Did It said…
I believe this was a stalking and a homicide. I believe Morgan’s stalker, Keenan, was severely obsessed with her. Followed her for months. She’s made several statements and Morgan signed and dated all of the statements she made. The one where Keenan followed her up the road and turned to make it look not so obvious gives me the creeps. I feel her pain and I feel so bad for the Ingrams. Those who say Morgan took her own life are insane, dangerous, and more than likely abuse social services. I support Morgan and her mother Toni, as well as, Sarah Afshar, Billy Housh, and Joe Valo 100%!
Anonymous said…
Morgan was a victim of foul play. This podcast was amazing. I love the fact that Billy didn’t interrupt Toni Ingram throughout the interview and also questioned the polygraph results. I feel like most of those who say Morgan took her life are suicidal themselves and have some sort of addiction. I also think it’s family of the stalker. He’s way too quiet to be innocent. I think other people know he did it and he knows it which is why he won’t say too much. Toni Ingram is strong and I love the fact she’s defending her daughter. Morgan was clearly not a suicidal girl.
Anonymous said…
I knew Morgan for 13 years of my life. She has never been suicidal and never did drugs. This is a lie started by her stalker, Keenan Vanginkel’s family and friends and the armchair sleuths obsessed with the case. Don’t believe any of the lies they spread on the internet. Please. Morgan was never that kind of person. I don’t believe the lies she took her own life or overdosed. Thank you for this podcast and thank you for letting Morgan’s mother Toni speak. I knew Toni the same length I knew Morgan. She’s one of the nicest people I’ve ever met. She welcomed me like a second mother when I first met her. Morgan had a very close relationship with Toni. They were best friends.
Anonymous said…
I’m happy you and Toni addressed the awful lies. I heard about this case after watching True Crime Daily’s four part series about it. I was so appalled when I heard the two S&S episodes. The one hosted by Mark Bidet. They were obvious lies but they were awful lies. I feel so bad for you Sarah. All you did was interview Toni and you have these unhinged armchair wannabe detectives spreading lies about you just because they disagree with your stance on this case. You are strong and it’s good you don’t let any of it get to you. I saw I think one hate site about you and the woman behind it clearly has horribly deep rooted mental issues. I have always believed Morgan was stalked, more than likely assaulted, and murdered by the man stalking her. I commend Toni Ingram for being as strong as she has been. The people who call her insane are insane themselves. This was a clear homicide. Excellent podcast episode about this case.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram is a good woman. She has every right to question her daughters very suspicious death. If I were in her shoes I would do the same.
Donna said…
I’ve known Sarah for about 20 years. She is a wonderful person. Although she and I sometimes don’t see eye-to-eye politically (she’s conservative and I’m more liberal) she’s been a great friend to me throughout the years. I met her in college when we both lived in Pittsburgh. She lived down the hall from me at the time. I haven’t seen her in person since 2014 (at the time she was in relationship with Joe Valo) but I’ve kept in touch with her via social media and followed her blog since it started. Speaking of following, I’ve been following this entire saga since 2012.

Everything Tricia Griffith of Websleuths said, everything Mayra Martinez (MayraMM) said, everything Terry Cavitalo (Windchime), everything Michael Odegard (Mode), everything Priest (Tina and David Adler), and everything Mike Boudet of Sword and Scale are complete lies and fabrication. The administrator of Websleuths, Tricia has a history of deception, including lies and abuse. One quick look into her, I found myself reading that she was sued in 2013-2014 for taking a lot of money from an individual named Susan Pruitt. She plead the 5th. The case has been documented online and you can read details on various law-related websites.

Sarah has never been a web cam model. She is not a scammer. She’s never asked me for money in the years I’ve known her. She was never ‘pimped’ out or trafficked by her mother. She’s not getting paid by Toni Ingram. I’ve known Sarah for over half of my life. She’s only had very few boyfriends in her life and has a small circle, group of close friends. I can’t believe the lengths these people go.

Most of these are lies created by Michael Odegard, an internet stalker and psychopathic peddler from Portland, Oregon. I don’t want to diagnose someone via internet but it’s clear Michael Odegard is schizophrenic, as most with this type of illness like to spread perversion to get people to believe their fake stories. Most people with such psychological issues will perpetuate scams that they are victims and paraphrase the context to make it believable to those vulnerable people who easily pity them. It’s clear he is scorned, angry, and strongly in denial about his issues. It’s also clear he created this charade for compensation purposes. Possibly entertainment purposes, as I can’t be the only one thinking he was looking for his 15 minutes of fame. This Odegard spoke to Sarah’s mother in the MSN movie chat, never to Sarah at all and they talked about movies.

Based on reading this internet stalker’s series of blogs including that awful ‘Sarah Afshar Bimbo’ blog, I believe these armchair investigators (primarily Tricia and Mayra) promised him compensation for appearing on the Sword and Scale podcast. Mayra Martinez (MayraMM) is also quite unhinged but does a much better job hiding it than Odegard. I believe Mayra, Tricia, and Terry are the type to impersonate Sarah to make contact with both Mike Boudet and Michael Odegard. I remember when they also harassed Joseph Valo. I’ve met Joe about 8-9 years ago and he’s a great guy. I think the major motive for lying about Sarah is because she interviewed Morgan Ingram’s mother, Toni Ingram and has been an adamant and vocal supporter of Mrs. Ingram and this cause. I believe Mayra harassed Sarah online because in the beginning she was paranoid and thought Sarah was actually Toni. I think she started to become obsessed with Sarah because of Sarah’s stance on this case and the fact she’s never encountered someone as intellectually gifted. I suspect she discovered Michael Odegard’s hate blogs by voluntarily searching them and befriended him based on their shared obsession with Sarah.

He is undisputedly irrelevant to the Morgan Ingram case. I’m 100% most people agree with me here. Whether normal or crazy, most people would agree with me. His lies are nothing more than rants of a scorned stalker. Not relevant. I don’t like belittling people but this individual has no right to lie about innocent people. If you have an axe to grind with someone, you shouldn’t be on the internet.
Donna said…
I thought this podcast episode was fantastic. The production was great. I enjoyed the overall storyline. The outro was fantastic. I guess my only issue is that the intro needs some work. A theme song maybe? I love Billy Housh and his voice. It’s haunting. I’m looking forward to the episodes to come. I have listened to a few podcasts. I like Joe Rogan and enjoy listening to his podcast primarily for his interviews. I’ve just recently got into true crime podcasts and I started following this one today.

I enjoyed this episode because it was nice to hear Toni Ingram speak out and raise questions regarding her daughter Morgan Ingram’s death. I’m glad she was able to share important discrepancies regarding her case. I believe this investigation was botched. It probably started with laziness and then money after. If I’m being honest, I think the sheriff involved and the forensic pathologist are at fault. Almost as much as the suspect himself. Hopefully the case will be looked at but it would depend on the people/parties involved and physical evidence connecting the stalker to the crime. Hopefully a resolve will happen and those unanswered questions are finally answered.

By the way Sarah, I’m so sorry to hear about your mother. I’m always here if you want to talk.
Anonymous said…
Believe me, there will never be any further formal investigation into the circumstances of poor Morgan's demise. Case closed. It is time for everybody involved to accept this. You cannot cremate a body and then insist the pathologist got it wrong when you have nothing concrete to contradict his findings with. Nothing. The potential proof was destroyed by the very parents who now swear things are different than what they initially told the cops the very morning Toni found Morgan. Still a tragedy for everybody involved, especially that beautiful girl. Morgan has moved on. Time for you to as well. Nothing here can or will be changed.
Anonymous said…
Toni Ingram was pushed to have her cremated by sheriff Lou Vallario. He kept insisting that the funeral home was available and persuaded them to have her cremated. The same man who voluntarily gave recordings of Toni and Steve questioning whether Morgan’s death was a suicide, a murder, or accidental using only the suicide testimony. He tried to get them to say it was a suicide. The same man who has been in trouble numerous times for misconduct. The same man who said a stalking never happened when Morgan admitted it happened. But guess what? Toni was smart and saved her blood samples. Those samples are good enough to prove this was not a suicide or overdose. The missing Amitriptyline from the expired bottle doesn’t come close to the amount in her blood, which was an equine level dose. This explains the missing Amitriptyline from the ranch nearby and how Morgan’s stalker was able to get it into his possession. The investigation by Vallario was so terrible, they found an old prescription missing a few pills and assumed that is what Morgan took. Dr. Michael Dobersen clearly stated that it was the amount in her blood that killed her and it was over 6,909 ng of the lethal/deadly dose. Even if she took the entire bottle, that wouldn’t explain the huge amount in her blood. Just for your info, Toni isn’t an investigator. She is a mother who has questions. I think she deserves to have them answered.
Anonymous said…
I can’t believe some people think that Morgan took her life. I don’t believe it at all. She wasn’t running or escaping. I don’t believe Morgan was the type. Why are people so obsessed with saying this and trying so hard to spread an obvious lie? There should be laws protecting deceased people. Great episode, Btw.
Anonymous said…
Brooke Harris should just come forward. I don’t think she’s involved but I believe she knows more than she lets on. I personally think Keenan Vanginkel is responsible. I don’t believe Morgan Ingram took her own life. It’s impossible.
Anonymous said…
I think there was much more to the night after Morgan arrived home than Toni is willing to share. I think a mistake might have been made by an upset and depressed Morgan. I know that, no matter what, Toni and Steve will never get past the loss of their beloved daughter.
Anonymous said…
Keenan admitted while drunk he did it. When he attacked cops who ceased him for having a carry. He went on a Facebook rant and then was invited to a party where he confessed while saying how stupid cops were. Those people who heard it were disturbed by it and tried to come forward but were ignored by disgraced sheriff Lou Vallario. Vallario is allegedly good friends with Keenan’s stepdad Doug. Keenan’s mom Jenn Johnson is behind the lies with Mayra and she wrote the truth about Keenan blog.
Pathologist said…
It is impossible Morgan Ingram took her own life. Here’s why:

Morgan Ingram had 7,909 ng of Amitriptyline in her blood stream. 900-1,000 ng of Amitriptyline in the blood is death.

Morgan Ingram’s level is the highest reported. Her Amitriptyline to Noratriptyline levels are close in ratio which means she was injected with the drug after the amount found in her gastric. Those levels are not as close in ratio of Amitriptyline to Noratriptyline.

This is a homicide.
Anonymous said…
The 10th anniversary of Morgan's tragic death is just around the corner. Toni and Steve will feel especially raw. Please hold them close in your minds and your hearts. They will suffer her loss forever.
Jamie said…
Today is the 10 year anniversary of Morgan Ingram’s death. She deserves justice for what happened to her. Stalked, assaulted, and murdered Morgan Ingram’s life mattered. She was more than a statistic. #JusticeforMorgan
Justice for Johnny Depp said…
This is foul play. I don’t think it’s anything otherwise. Those people defending him are the same type of people who defend Amber Heard. I saw the perpetrator Keenan Vanginkel on television and he’s a terrible actor who is so guilty there are no words for it. Hopefully the truth comes out one day.
Pat said…
I trust you when it comes to any true crime news. You’ve been right about so many cases. This case is so complex but I think you are also right here. This was a fantastic podcast. Much better than most I’ve heard. Still seems some work. I’m not a huge fan of Crime Junkie (way overrated and very boring), Bailey Sarian (I don’t like her voice), Serial (she sounds like Siri), True Crime Obsessed (they make the real crime into comedy) or Sword & Scale (good production but no objectives or facts). Nancy Grace (redneck who is always wrong) is also the worst with My Favorite Murder trailing behind. Those women just cuss and have no informative facts to provide. The Murder Squad was good. It’s sad it’s no more. The one with Paul Holes. Unsolved Mysteries is good with Steve French. He’s no Robert Stack though. I haven’t listened to all of them. I like Joe Rogan. I use to fight in the UFC and have supported Joe when he did open mics and stand up back in 2009. He bought me dinner twice. He’s a good guy and he’s got the best interviews.
Anonymous said…
I know the man Toni Ingram has accused and he’s not the saint people think he is. I believe he totally did this. I think he’s guilty.
Anonymous said…
My Favorite Murder use to be good. They are horrible nowadays. Joe Rogan is #1 for me. I’m not into true crime but this Even Salt Looks Like Sugar podcast is really good. I can’t stand Nancy Grace. I don’t listen to any of the others. I had no idea Unsolved Mysteries had a podcast.
Anonymous said…
Websleuths podcast is the worst ever in true crime. Nothing tops it. Tricia the host is a loose cannon and deceptive. There is talk she recruited Terry Cavitalo aka Terry Scholes to make hate blogs about Toni Ingram and Sarah Afshar. She’s also begging her loser fan base to downvote any podcast that believes Morgan Ingram was murdered. Very gross, disgusting person she is. She also accused an innocent man of being LISK and sent her mob to attack the man. He literally took his own life. I heard about this first on Twitter and then again on Facebook. She also had involvement in the Elisa Lamm case too. What she did to Metta Pry was awful. She d0xed her over a guy. Just an insane woman. What she’s said about Toni Ingram and Sarah Afshar is completely false. If you have an opinion that is different than hers, watch out. She will send her fan base after you. The LISK thing was the worst.
Anonymous said…
Billy Jensen from the Murder Squad was accused of misconduct. Apparently that’s why the show is no longer. It’s a shame. It was a good podcast. I hope Paul Holes creates his own podcast and picks up where he left off.
Sarah said…
I don't know too much about Tricia Griffith from Websleuths other than the infamous true crime osmosis. I don't think talking bad about this individual is really the best thing, as it is just energy wasted. What does it really solve? I do wish her well and I hope she gets the help she needs to move on from any of this as it is evidently clear she's having trouble doing so. To be honest, I don't care what she says about me. It's none of my business what she says unless she spreads malice with the intent to cause ill will. Toni Ingram also does not care what she thinks.

Morgan Ingram deserves justice for what has happened to her and this is what Toni and I care about. This is what we have tried to prove. Despite the propaganda being pushed about Morgan, depicting her as a suicidal junkie escaping from her life, there is no proof nor evidence that supports the suicidal theory as universal or even a remote possibility. Accidental is more believable to most; however, this theory is moot, as only a few pills were missing from an expired prescription.

Do I believe this is a homicide? Yes, I do. Do I believe everyone who says otherwise has the right to their opinion? Absolutely. But, I also look at the facts, examine the details, and thoroughly read the information. There is a reason why I believe Morgan Ingram was in fact a victim of foul play and I have addressed this numerous times; however, the biggest thing for me was the toxicology results (7,909 ng of Amitriptyline in her blood stream, with 600-1,000 ng lethal) and the autopsy photos (her nose looked like it was smashed and she had blood on her lip.)

Every minute someone in this country is sexually assaulted. One in every six women in the United States alone has been a victim of sexual assault. As much as I don't want to address it, I am one of those women. I lived through it and was able to identify the man who did it. Morgan is not alive today to do the same. She may never get justice in this lifetime, but God works in mysterious ways and karma and dharma are very much real and alive.
Anonymous said…
The problem is Toni has no proof to accuse people of murder. As disgusting as this Keenan guy may be, is there proof he took Morgan’s life? Also, very sad that happened to you Sarah. You are in my thoughts and prayers tonight.
Anonymous said…
Morgan Ingram identified Keenan Vanginkel as the man stalking her. Don’t you think that’s very suspicious? I don’t blame Mrs. Ingram for looking at him as the number one suspect.
Anonymous said…
Keenan Vanginkel did it! Nothing will change Toni Ingram’s mind or anyone with a brain. The only people who think this woman took her own life are delusional, rapid armchair sleuths obsessed with the case. No one takes you ladies seriously.
Sarah said…
You should see some of the nasty messages these people leave. The way they attack Morgan is disturbing. I suspect most of them are from armchair investigators, but a lot of them are also from Keenan's family. Of course, they will defend him; however, the facts do not lie.
Anonymous said…
I’m noticing a pattern from the rabid sleuths. They attack Morgan and will say she took her own life. Then, they will attack Toni. They will say she’s a liar with Münchausen syndrome. Then, they attack you for supporting Toni. They will accuse Toni of being involved and then will say Morgan took her own life. How can Toni be involved if Morgan killed herself? These sleuths are so insane. They need to first make it make sense.
Anonymous said…
I saw this on Toni Ingram’s blog:

- We would discovered all of her expensive jewelry was missing – gone.

- We would discover the PJ’s she was wearing when Steve said good night to her were also missing – gone.

- We would discover her panic button had been torn from its secure mounting spot on her nightstand, and was hidden on the floor under some clothes.

- We would discover she died not from natural causes, with an insignificant amount of amitriptyline as the forensic pathologist Dr. Kurtzman had told us, but from a massive dose of amitriptyline. An amount that she could not have possibly ingested herself because a person her size would have died from only on tenth that amount.

- We would discover that there were other drugs not shown on the first tox screen in her stomach, 5 total. The amitriptyline on the first tox was a lethal concentration – the rest were not in amounts that would have been lethal, but every one of them were listed on the lab’s Sexual Assault Panel. So at the time of Morgan’s murder she had an active felony stalking case being investigated by the Garfield County sheriffs and the only things found in her body were all date rape drugs found on the Sexual Assault panel at the lab…and yet we were being told she wasn’t a homicide.

- We would discover she had wounds consistent with defensive wounds on her body, and the coroner and pathologist would refuse to release the photographs for study by others.

- We would discover that many, many aspects of her room were consistent with a struggle having taken place.

- We would discover the hour that she most likely died, and why that was so important for an investigation.

- We would discover that the container needed to hold the date rape cocktail has never been recovered, in her room, or elsewhere.

- We would discover her body was dressed in a third set of clothing, not what she wore home that night, and not the PJ’s she wore when she went to sleep.

- We would discover that a journal of hers was missing from her room, gone. And it was not the journal listed in evidence.

- We would discover her upper chest was covered in a fine spray of bodily fluids, consistent with Morgan attempting to spit or sneeze out a date rape cocktail she had been forced to ingest, or the remnants of a sexual assault, as these “spots” showed up under the UV light and were bodily fluids .

- We discovered Morgan had a red spot on her right temple (consistent with a thumb restraining her head while a hand was over her mouth), and something red (blood?), as was on her swollen lip.

- We would discover the knife Morgan asked her dad to buy for her protection the night before, was lying in her bed right next to her body, in the original box it had been purchased in.

- We would discover that even though it was a “mystery” and a majority of stalking victims in these circumstances would be raped, and when found her pants were unzipped & unbuttoned, there was no rape kit administered at her autopsy. That the only way to know if she had been raped as a part of her ordeal is forever lost.

- We would discover that the steel gutter directly over her window was torn into two pieces, consistent with her stalker lying on the roof and leaning over to see inside her room through her upper window, and it would never be officially photographed or otherwise examined forensically.

- We would discover that the observant neighbor who reported her light being off and on at strange times indicating suspicious behavior was never interviewed as a part of the investigation.

- We discovered no potential evidence from the death scene, save the clothes she was wearing, were ever collected.

And then we learned from a long time local investigator that years earlier the pathologist that did Morgan’s autopsy had once examined a body pulled from the Roaring Fork River and declared the person died from an accidental drowning…later on the body was exhumed and a bullet was documented to have been lodged in the skull – how could he have missed that?
Anonymous said…
I feel bad for Paul Holes. It’s unfair he was punished for Billy Jensen’s alleged actions. I try not to believe people right away, but three women spoke out against Jensen and used their name. I have no choice but to believe them.
Anonymous said…
It’s so good to finally see a pro-Toni Ingram website. I saw her on Dr. Phil and I felt like she was telling the truth. Brooke Harris acted very suspicious. I think Keenan is guilty. I‘m not falling for his Boy Scout routine.
Anonymous said…
Morgan Ingram didn’t overdose or take her own life. She was never this type of person. Keenan was severely obsessed with her. But because he’s alive he can say whatever he wants and only mentally ill people believe it. He is so much Jeffrey Dahmer in a lot of ways. The obsession with hunting and taxidermy. Dahmer bad so many people fooled. Even after he confessed, there are crazies who still defend him and believe him.
Anonymous said…
i agree. he is very much like jeffrey dahmer and he has law enforcement fooled. i always suspected keenan vanginkel was guilty because he never appeared on the dr. phil show to clear his name. i think he did that to shift blame to brooke harris and make people think brooke killed morgan. he also said in the interrogation video weird stuff. no way hes innocent and his dad wade vanginkel reminds me of lionel dahmer. lionel acted the same way as wade. keenan should just confess. he knows he’s guilty.
Anonymous said…
I love Toni Ingram and adore her so much, but her blog is poorly written. It’s as if she did “text-to-type” on the blog posts. I could not understand most of the post she made on December 2, 2012 about December 2, 2011. Make no mistake, I believe she’s 100% telling the truth about her daughter. I also believe the hate she gets is from Jennifer Johnson, Keenan’s mother. I think he’s guilty and she’s doing everything to minimize his involvement. I think gullible crazies will believe he’s innocent. Smart people can see through them.
Anonymous said…
Sarah, other than Even Salt Looks Like Sugar, what is your favorite true crime podcast?
Anonymous said…
Wow, some of the harassment you’ve endured is beyond disgusting. I believe Morgan Ingram was stalked and murdered. I can’t even imagine being public with my opinion. I hope justice happens for Morgan and her family. Very clear it was a murder and not anything else.
Anonymous said…
It’s so hard to believe that two weeks from today will mark 11 years since Morgan Ingram was murdered by her stalker. I can’t believe there hasn’t been any justice.
Johnny Depp Fan said…
Morgan Ingram had no history of drugs. She was never mentally ill. Morgan has no history of crime at all. She identified Keenan Vanginkel as the man who stalked her. Even signed statements she wrote to authorities including to Robert Glassmire (detective, now coroner) that Keenan was the guy.

There was an old bottle of Amitriptyline in Morgan’s cabinet in her bathroom. It was from 2008-2009. Only a few pills were missing from it. Not enough to kill her. But because that was the main drug in her system, the cops saw it and assumed the death was either accidental or a suicide. What about the Cyclobenzaprine or the Flexeril? None of those drugs were found.

Are we to believe this young woman took her life? I look at facts not nasty armchair sleuths who spread lies and like blaming victims for their own deaths. You aren’t a hero, you are a zero. This Keenan Vanginkel is not a saint.
Anonymous said…
Sarah, there is a slob armchair sleuth on Twitter attacking you and accusing you of doxing someone in crime case. It’s a fake account and definitely Websleuths Tricia, MayraMM, or Terry Stipp. May even be Mike Boudet. It’s clear their health is not wealth and failing immensely. Wasn’t Jack Showalter identified in the public before you ever made that tweet?
Sarah said…
To 3:21 PM - I have been so busy, I haven't had the time to really listen to podcasts as much as I would like to. I think I am only subscribed to a few of them. When I have more time, I will definitely dive deep into the realm of podcasting. I think there are a lot of talented podcasters and one of the best was the podcast with Paul Holes. I think it was called 'The Murder Squad' but I am not sure. I didn't even know that podcast didn't exist anymore. It shows you how much I know and keep up with what is happening in the world of podcasting. I'm sure there are so many these days it is hard to actually choose the best podcast of all. Ever since my mother died, I haven't been on social media as much as I use to and have found that being occupied and enamored in things I love and enjoy has helped me more with my grief than anything else.

To 10:02 PM - I don't think I've ever noticed the comment. It's possible it is one of those people; however, I don't really care because I have ever right to share what the public already is aware of. The information about Jack Showalter is public on various Idaho Facebook groups. This is where I first heard about him. This was shortly after the food truck Twitch stream was made public, showing the victims getting a late night bite. Then, the information about Jackson Showalter was made public on reddit after the Facebook groups published about him. I know one of the victims personally, as I met her through my former neighbor who is related to her. She also worked for a company that a friend of mine works at in Boise. My former neighbor is one of my good friends and she's very upset over the incident. I have friends who live in Moscow and they have shared some sinister stuff that is happening there, including events that happened way before the recent homicides. It's a college town, but relatively small and still a big community. I never accused Showalter of killing these girls, so it's possible it is one of those four people using a fake account spreading this false narrative. I didn't know anyone tweeted me and I would never d0x anyone. These are just more lies these armchair sleuths create to devalue anyone who thinks differently from them.

Thank you to everyone commenting and reading the blog. I'll blog in the near future. I still talk to Toni Ingram. She's doing well. She is never giving up on Morgan Ingram and justice.
Anonymous said…
I think it’s that Boudet guy. But then, I wonder why he would call himself “Johnny Depp’s New Wife”. It has to be Terry Stipp. If you go through the posts, you’ll see the person is mentally ill. They flip flop on their love for Trump. It’s so weird.
Anonymous said…
Jack Showalter info was made public in a private Facebook group after the stream was posted on Twitch. He was identified as the guy following the girls in the video. Then, people started posting hunting photos and included a knife that was allegedly the knife used to stab the girls. People speculated. It was then posted on Reddit and on 4Chan. The armchair investigators are basically defending him and attacking people for mentioning his name. Personally I think he’s like Keenan Vanginkel. Another murderer who will likely never get into trouble.
Anonymous said…
They could have done so much more for Morgan Ingram’s case. The cops did nothing. Lou Vallario is a terrible person. His wife is also not a good person. They should have done their job and Morgan would still be alive. I don’t believe for one second Morgan took pills to end her life.
Anonymous said…
Hi Sarah! Thank you for everything you have done for the Ingrams and Morgan. I’m Morgan’s cousin and I miss her everyday. It has been almost 11 years since we lost her. I pray everyday for Justice. There is no way she lost her life to her own doing.
Anonymous said…
10:31 P.M. - This is why you can’t ever trust armchair sleuths. You cannot undermine facts to fit your narrative. No matter how much you disagree. I see this often. They are more malevolent than vigilant. There is no doubt these armchair people are a big reason these lies are being embraced as fact towards law enforcement who don’t know the full story or the real facts of the case. The Morgan Ingram case has been filled with nothing but lies. I never believed anything I ever read about Morgan or her case on Websleuths or that Truth blog Tricia and Mayra created. I see these sleuths basically attacking a beautiful young woman for her own death and attacking her mother for wanting answers. There is so much proof Dr. Robert Kurtzman has been wrong and no one has pointed that out. Even Dr. Michael Dobersen pointed out the many discrepancies and was ignored because Kurtzman is a sociopathic head case who refuses to ever admit he’s wrong. He got the Selena Not Afraid case so wrong and he was wrong about Jerry Daniels.
Anonymous said…
The case that bothered me the most in regards to Kurtzman was of Cameron Collin. Robert Kurtzman has botched quite a lot. I don’t know if he’s doing this on purpose but he’s playing with lives. Cameron Collin’s mother is a lot like Toni Ingram and is all over social media posting about it. I am happy these mothers of these victims are no longer silent. This is a plus for social media.
Anonymous said…
Toni and Marion are both close friends because Kurtzman ruined both Morgan’s and Cameron’s cases.
Anonymous said…
I am so sorry to hear about your mother, Sarah. You are in my thoughts and prayers tonight. 🙏🏻
Anonymous said…
Keenan Vanginkel looks like a fatter, creepier version of Ezra Miller. Ezra himself is unstable. Keenan’s “in my opinion, I didn’t do anything” was gross when he was being interrogated. I can’t believe anyone believes him. It’s got to be the same boomers who defended Ted Bundy in the 80’s.
10:28 P.M. - Watch this before you say Mike Boudet is incapable of creating a fake account https://www.patreon.com/JamesAllenMcCune
Anonymous said…
I’ve never heard of Cameron Collin. Kurtzman is a mad man. I read Toni’s blog and how he treated the Ingrams was flat out disgusting. He will get his karma soon. I don’t think his health is too good.