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| Morgan Ingram (Photo by Morgan Ingram) |
The show starts out with drone footage of the picturesque Carbondale, Colorado before a dialog took place between retired detective Paul Holes and true crime producer and journalist Kelly McLear regarding her case. Wanting answers, the dynamic duo decided to dig deep into the case to find out if it was an accident, a suicide or a murder. I watched the show with an open mind, disregarding my own point of view, in case I was wrong to believe this was a homicide.
I watched the show. I believe the show was spun to fit a narrative that the vast majority of status quo want to hear. Most of these shows are aired for entertainment purposes, hence why people watch them to begin with. However, a lot of facts have been left out as Oxygen producers can only fit so much into a 90-minute time frame.
To be honest, I was very disappointed not by their conclusion of her death, but by how they depicted Morgan Ingram and her stalking altogether. I was also modestly miffed by how they portrayed Toni and Steve Ingram. With that said, questions that were not answered on Accident, Suicide or Murder that I would have liked to have been addressed include:
Question #1: Morgan Ingram had an obscene level of Amitriptyline in her blood. Over 6 times the lethal limit. So, if 500 ng to 1,000 ng of Amitriptyline in the blood is lethal, how did Morgan Ingram get 7,909 ng in her blood stream?
Question #2: Morgan Ingram had 7,909 ng of Amitriptyline in her blood stream which I addressed previously. She also had a level of 2,833 ng of Noratripyline in her blood stream, as well. In her gastric fluids (or stomach) Morgan had 2,287,440 ng of Amitriptyline with a Noratriptyline level of 9,431 ng. Look at how close the numbers are of Amitriptyline to Noratriptyline in the blood. This leads me to the important question--why is the ratio so close in the blood versus the level in her stomach or gastric fluids?
Note: The amount in her stomach was high, but I don't believe that is what killed her. I believe it was the level in her blood that did. When looking at the gastric fluid level, the ratio is very far apart in comparison to the blood level. Why is the blood level of Amtriptyline to Noratriptyline so close in comparison to the gastric fluid level?
Question #3: The beanie hat has a sufficient level of DNA on it. The forensic investigators did not even flinch nor entertain the idea of testing this item, as they were distracted by the polygraph test results of both Toni and Steve Ingram. The polygraph results of Mr. and Mrs. Ingram overshadowed this. That hat should have been tested regardless of the lie detector results. Why wasn't it?
Question #4: Why was Keenan Vanginkel never interviewed? He was the perpetrator, the stalker and yet is painted as innocent, but was not asked to take any lie detector test even though he offered to take one in 2011 and 2012. Have the investigators forgotten about his extensive criminal record including his history with criminal trespassing? Or do they think because he's alive, he is off limits? Vanginkel also has a history of drugs and mental illness, which the Ingrams' have revealed in the past.
Question #5: Keenan Vanginkel was seen on the cameras walking up the Ingrams' driveway only later to deny it was him when interrogated by detective (now coroner) Robert Glassmire. Why is this fact being overlooked? It is because Morgan Ingram is dead and Keenan Vanginkel is living? Currently, there are no laws protecting the deceased.
Note: Towards the end of the interrogation video, Vanginkel is seen frantically looking at his phone. Why was this footage never featured in the program? As Vanginkel is protected under the constitution of the United States (innocent until proven guilty) he looked modestly guilty when Robert Glassmire left the room in 2011.
Question #6: In the autopsy photos, it looks like Morgan had blood on her lip and her face had been smashed. There were also marks around her neck, as if she were strangled. Another disturbing observation I made was how her arms were risen and hands were clenched. Almost in fists. Evidently this proves she didn't take her own life, but the question I have is--how can they reach the accidental conclusion knowing this fact?
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| Morgan Ingram with her mother Toni Ingram (Photo by Morgan Ingram) |
Additionally I have some concerns regarding the episode. These concerns include:
Morgan Ingram was not a suicidal person. She was artistic with more drive than NASCAR. Her character was not flawless and far from pristine, but was not how she was portrayed in this series. She was not suicidal. She was not running nor escaping from life. I noticed some victim blaming throughout the series which I despise. As I stated previously, there are no laws that protect the deceased.
Both Toni and Steve Ingram took a polygraph test regarding the stalking and murder of Morgan. Granted it is not a good thing to fail, but I believe as both of them are in their 60's, going through a lot of tension and stress, unable to properly grieve. Also based on heresy the polygraph administrator had issues with the system and simultaneously asked the Ingrams questions completely unrelated to Morgan's case to test to see if their lie detector system was working. Truth be told, I believe this is why they failed some of the questions given to them. I don't believe they are deceptive or have bad intentions like some of you think. I don't believe they are liars. I've spoken with both personally for hours and have heard both of them grieve and I have heard them cry. They are not investigators which they have admitted relentlessly throughout the years. They just want answers and have every right to question what happened to their daughter. After all, they knew Morgan more than anyone in this world and she was being stalked, whether you want to believe it or not.
When they interviewed Danny Rodden, I had to admit I was a little shocked. Rodden is not the same guy from 2011 as he ended up getting back into drugs (relapsing) several years ago and starting a relationship with a young teenage girl. Because of this he is now a registered sex offender in the state of Colorado. A person under the influence of substances is not a credible witness by any means and their opinion should be taken with a grain of salt. As troublesome as this is, I don't know why his testimony was used unless it was for entertainment purposes to elevate the shock factor, allowing you--the audience to reach your own conclusions about Morgan's death.
The silhouette of the woman who claims to have been friends with Morgan, who allegedly saw her the night of the death or night before of her death is friends with Brooke Harris and is friendly with the suspect, Keenan Vanginkel. According to a Morgan Ingram Facebook page ran by friends of Morgan Ingram, called RIP Morgan Ingram, the woman identified as "Kara" allegedly also changed the story to fit a narrative that was proved to be not true hence why only excerpts of her testimony aired on the show. Kara is allegedly friends with Morgan Ingram's stalker Keenan Vanginkel.
Stalking is a serious crime that was not taken seriously in this case. They played recordings of Steve Ingram mentioning Morgan may possibly be contemplating suicide. Everyone has their down days, but that doesn't mean they took their own life. Morgan Ingram said on Facebook in her final days of being alive on earth that she loved life. In fact, it was her final post before she was murdered. Anyone who is suicidal or even in distress would never say this.
Update 5/22/19: There is more to the tape that aired on Accident, Suicide or Murder. This tape was recorded before the Ingrams' independently investigated the death of their daughter. The recording featured on the show leaves out vital details, including parts where both Toni and Steve Ingram questioned if it were a suicide and overdose. When questioned, the Ingrams' evidently looked at all scenarios diving deep into the suicide and the accident possibility. The entire tape reveals this fact. Toni and Steve Ingram are not investigators and would have accepted suicide, had Morgan actually took her own life, but eventually after looking at her case fully, they knew their daughter and knew her death was not a suicide and/or accident and foul play was definitely the main narrative to examine.
Update 5/22/19: Camera footage was released to Paul Holes and Kelly McLear of the day Morgan Ingram was found dead. The unidentified concoction in the cup that was in Morgan Ingram's bathroom was, in fact, Morgan Ingram's Pure Tasty Face Mask. Evidently, it wasn't tested as Paul Holes suggested. She used the butter knife to stir it, as it is filled with cinnamon, nutmeg and honey.
Update 08/27/20: As the writer and co-producer for the Even Salt Looks Like Sugar podcast, I was able to connect the podcast with Toni Ingram for an exclusive interview. Toni discusses the Accident, Suicide, or Murder episode regarding the stalking and death of her daughter Morgan Ingram and even explains why she failed the lie detector test presented. You can listen read more about the podcast episode here.
I felt like the series was put together greatly with three points of view and possibilities; however, a lot of what they showed on television is not the whole story. This is just common sense, as every show has to edit hours upon hours of footage to fit a 90-minute (sometimes much smaller) time frame. Kelly McClear is a class-act who has done a lot of great work in the realm of true crime, as Paul Holes is fantastic retired law enforcement official who is now a true crime personality. Kelly offered a lot of insight and I felt like she was determined to find out who stalked and murdered Morgan. I think deep down she knows this is/was a homicide.
Conclusion
I felt like the series was put together greatly with three points of view and possibilities; however, a lot of what they showed on television is not the whole story. This is just common sense, as every show has to edit hours upon hours of footage to fit a 90-minute (sometimes much smaller) time frame. Kelly McClear is a class-act who has done a lot of great work in the realm of true crime, as Paul Holes is fantastic retired law enforcement official who is now a true crime personality. Kelly offered a lot of insight and I felt like she was determined to find out who stalked and murdered Morgan. I think deep down she knows this is/was a homicide.
Truth be told, however; I felt like Paul Holes was distracted by someone into pushing the accident narrative simply because the DNA was never tested and the vast part of the show emphasized on the Ingrams' alleged exaggeration and that Toni Ingram failed the lie detector test. I do not believe Holes was given the facts and only did multi-dimensional research on the case using moot information provided by uneducated, narcissistic armchair sleuths. There was no reason to push the polygraph narrative so much, knowing that there were issues with the system itself unless the goal was to make Toni Ingram look like a liar, which she is not. With that said, I think Holes has been great with many cases, but I have noticed quite a few of them he was not.
With that said, my opinion has not changed. I still believe Morgan Ingram was victim of foul play. I believe she murdered and this was in fact, a homicide. Until you can answer my questions, I don't have to listen to any of the banal ad hominem or strange internet theories ad nauseam to support inaccurate narratives being pushed in efforts to make Morgan's stalker look like a Boy Scout. No one gets 7,909 ng of Amitriptyline in their blood stream when 1,000 ng is the highest dose ever reported and less than that is lethal. These are just some of many discrepancies that were overlooked and lead to many more unanswered questions.
I have every right to my opinion and I want answers. Don't be fooled into believing Morgan Ingram was a junkie looking to escape her life. I support Toni and Steve Ingram. For more information visit Morgan Ingram today.
I have every right to my opinion and I want answers. Don't be fooled into believing Morgan Ingram was a junkie looking to escape her life. I support Toni and Steve Ingram. For more information visit Morgan Ingram today.
Comments
I'm a lawyer in STL. Keep pushing for the truth. Her killer or would-be date raper got away with murder.
Deb: It was clearly a homicide because the Ingrams didn't have Cyclobenzaprine in the house. No one can explain the amount in her blood and why the ratio of Amttriptyline to Noratriptyline is so close except for Dr. Michael Dobersen who explained this yet was ignored. Additionally she had blood on her lip and clearly looked like she was assaulted when looking at autopsy photos. Plus, you can tell by how her body was positioned including how her arms and hands were raised she was murdered.
Huge Hannah: I am definitely not Muslim and only crazy to those who are incoherent like yourself. Are you that unhinged woman from Kirkland, Washington who keeps posting disgusting shit on my blog? Fetch a life piece of shit.
A lot of people are asking why Steve was caught on tape saying it was a suicide. When Morgan was first murdered, they questioned both Toni and Steve directly. Both Toni and Steve questioned them regarding the suicide theory, entertaining it as a possibility. Toni and Steve are not investigators. They clearly wanted answers and looked at all possibilities when she was originally found dead.
There is more to the tape which didn't air on the show. Shortly after, you can hear both of them questioning homicide. They knew their daughter more than anyone hence why they knew it was a homicide and began to engage that theory shortly after.
As for ruining lives, I have not ruined anyone's life and neither has Toni Ingram. I am just a woman on the internet with questions, who believes Morgan was murdered and the case should be reopened. You, on the other hand, have tried to ruin quite a few lives including mine for supporting Toni Ingram and the homicide theory. You don't have the right to tell someone what to think and how to think, especially when you have spread horrible, untrue lies about not only me, but the actual victim herself-Morgan Ingram.
There are many people who think the same as I do. Many of which are incognito as they fear you will attack them.
But guess what? I'm not scared of you.
In fact, your outlandish cyberbullying and internet stalking tactics will not work on me. You are a self loathing, sad woman with ego-driven angst who is obsessed those who don't give into your petty intimidation tactics. Truth be told, I pity you more than anything that you are so obsessed with Morgan Ingram that you will go to such arm's length to make others believe she was this depressed, suicidal junkie when in reality she was the opposite.
Then they added testimony from the stalker’s ex gf’s mother who said he told her he worked a double shift. The reports reveal this as fact. You can also see an official statement from Kroger where they admit he was working.
That’s where I realized something isn’t right.
Her phone being across the room. The psychic revealed after she tried to scream she tried to make a call and her stalker took her phone and threw it. She tried to hit the panic button and her stalker ripped it off. The entire scenario makes sense.
I have investigated this and I believe it was a homicide.
My question I have is—Who is the guy with n*** in the last name that helped Keenan clean up the crime scene? RIP Morgan Ingram on Facebook posted a psychic testimony the other day saying this guy helped him clean up the scene of the crime. I’m just curious.
“They had an agenda that we did not know about until a week before it aired. They left out all the evidence they had about murder.”
I think the show did this on purpose.
The average public knows that law enforcement agencies are only as good as the individuals at the time and how they are instructed to handle it. This cases as presented was grossly mishandled as they had excellent forensics at the time, as today. It’s common that police departments do not have the funds to order all of the necessary forensics tests that are needed in investigations. Money was the issue and they found a less expensive option and took it. A hidden little fact from the public. They have fixed amounts they can spend on investigations before having to go to the Mayor or city council. They would have needed a team of qualified investigators for months to uncover what exactly happened the last night of her life. People do not give up secrets overnight.
If you wanted to get rid of someone so as to divert attention away from yourself, an obvious suspect, what would be the best way to accomplish it?
Amitriptyline is a broad based anti-depressant and not classified as a pain medication. It has many off label uses however it is extremely common to be prescribed as a sleeping medication like Benadryl so many people have it in their household. It does give off a numbing effect in the mouth and bitter to taste however I imagine it would go down nicely in a zesty salsa with chips or a lovely healthy smoothie and even candy without tasting it.
The way she lived her life as well as the sequence of events in her life should have triggered a vigorous in depth investigation no matter how the officials “felt”. Money should not have been an obstacle. I too lost a son that was larger than life and know the pain of losing a child. It’s a pain known only to us who have lost a child. Until Morgan’s parent can get black and white proof in front of them they will never give up and they shouldn’t. It was easy to know Morgan did not commit suicide though the TV program tried hard to send you there.
#JusticeforMorgan
#KeenanDidIt
#ISupportMorganIngram
However, I also believe that her killer WILL see justice;if not here and now, then in His time. The Lord is not slack concerning His promises, and all that has been done in darkness, and of evil, WILL be brought to light. And so it is written, the Lord will repay those who work evil; vengeance is not ours, but His.
God bless the Ingram family. God bless all who are working to expose the evil deeds of those who live, and work, in darkness. The light of the Living God will prevail over ALL darkness.
Personally, I used to think that this was an accidental death, but now I firmly believe that it was a case of homicide. It seems as though the sheriff and detectives never truly looked into the incident properly due to their lack of understanding regarding stalking and its implications. Unfortuntely, incidents such as these occur far more often in small towns like Carbondale than many people realize. This is why it is so important for us to take stalking seriously and investigate any suspicious circumstances thoroughly in order to ensure justice is served.
I strongly believe that if Keenan had been given access to the appropriate mental health resources, this tragedy could have easily been averted. The interrogation video alone serves as a stark reminder of his instability and distress. Unfortunately, due to systemic neglect regarding mental health services in our society, Keenan was unable to find the help he desperately needed.
My heart goes out to Toni Ingram and her family during this difficult time. It is my sincere hope that justice will be served for Morgan in some form, as she has the right to know what happened and deserves closure regardless of when it comes. No one should ever have to go through such a tragedy without any answers or recourse.